Guo: Mr. Xiaoping, hello! Hello audience! Hello everyone!

 

Chen: I'm very happy that you can participate in our program today! You are a famous person who knows you a lot but who has seen you, it is estimated that there are not many. Today I brought you to the screen to meet our audience and I am very happy.

 

Guo: It is a great honor to be on the TV program of Der Spiegel. It is a great honor to be interviewed by Mr. Xiaoping here. Thank you all the workers of Der Spiegel TV. Thank you all the audience.

 

Chen: Mr. Guo, when you were in the Chinese media, basically when reporting on you, I guess no media really interviewed you face-to-face. In the history of your interactions with the media in the past, I know that you seem to have only been interviewed by the Hong Kong Commercial Daily, but otherwise it seems that you have never been interviewed. So, I would like to ask you to talk about yourself. Many people say that you are a mysterious and mysterious businessman, a mysterious rich man, etc. don't know what you are doing, can you give it to you, can you give me the first official statement, what are you doing?

 

Guo: (laughs) Mr. Xiaoping, you have won the prize. I am not a mysterious figure, nor a rich man. This is all reported by the media in the past because I did not understand it. So at the same time, in the past few years, I really did not do anything in the media and offended some media, including some of my opponents also used a lot of media to demonize me, so I joke that in the past few decades Once there is no defamation, no rumors, no demonization in my life, I will not be very comfortable. Because all the past slander and demonization are my motivation, I will prove to others that I am not like that. In fact, this is also a great help to me, and I should also thank them. The so-called mysticization was fabricated by the media. There are more than one billion people in China, and there are too many people who the media does not know,

I'm just an ordinary people, it's normal not to let people know. Basically it is still in the Chinese society, there are too many people like me. Another one is that we have been educated by our parents since childhood, and it is better to be a low-key person, so there is no mystery.

Chen: (Laughs) Well, there is no mystery. Today, I still want to ask you, you have always said that the media has demystified you, or demonized you, or slander you. So what is it that motivates you to stand up and accept an exclusive interview with Der Spiegel TV? What do you think? Because everyone is more curious about this question.

 

Guo: First of all, in the past two years, because the economic dispute between us and Beijing University has been in full swing, the media has paid close attention to it. Then there are some media, especially some media that collected money from my opponent Li You, as well as the money paid by the families of the senior political officials behind Li You. For example, two years ago, Guo Wengui was taken back from Italy, and then Guo Wengui has become the second person after the completion of the order. Now General Secretary Xi Jinping and Secretary Wang Qishan are going to visit the United States and they will be repatriated!

 

Chen: Yes, there is such a saying.

 

Guo: Then, suddenly Guo Wengui called lawyer Flushing to seek political asylum. Suddenly, Guo Wengui now kills or kills the Japanese. Sometimes I kill the Japanese and I become a national hero...

 

Chen: It is said that you are wanted by the international community, right.

 

Guo: It’s wanted by the international community! It can be said that the news looks very strange, but it is actually a small media bought by money. Every time Li You spent half a 30,000 US dollars or the money I paid out, it was the money we found out. Going to buy these media and then report it, it was actually a rumor. In this way, I am highly concerned overseas, at home and abroad, which is (why) today everyone wants to know what is going on with Guo Wengui. Now, the media's reputation for rumoring has not helped me well, but it has made me very important. Because most of my time in the past has been abroad, and my investment is also abroad, then after many of my friends abroad see these news, of course they know it is fake. However, other people think that I am an ordinary businessman. Now everyone thinks that my person is mysterious, has great ability, and has a great political background, and then it is overthrown.Liu Zhihua is also involved in Li You of Peking University. Then, we still have evidence of the so-called nuclear weapons scandals of some people. Now I tell a lot of people that I don’t matter! It’s not good, especially foreign friends. Some politically influential friends now support me. I’m kidding. I say I’m not important now. You don’t believe it. I say I’m important. Not enough. But, I said that I really need time to explain, these things are all rumor.

 

So in the past two years, I have been observing that the overseas media is indeed a mirror. It is a media that I respect very much. It does not create rumors, defamation, bullying, fear, and especially adheres to the basic principles of the media. This is commendable in today's era of fake news. So when the "Hong Kong Commercial Daily" interviewed me, I said a sentence, everything was just beginning, why? Because at that time, we were arrested by several parties, and the economic amount involved in the matter, hundreds of billions, The total economic amount involved is almost trillions, involving state-owned assets involving tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people, and more than 1 million employees, so such a thing is to go through an investigation process of. What did I say before? I shouldn’t say that I don’t have the ability to say, nor do I have that condition. I think we should wait until the investigation has reached a certain paragraph to prove whether they are wrong or whether I am wrong. He is a good person and I am a good person. What sin does he have?

 

Well, with the pronouncement of the Li You case, this matter has proved that 97% of our initial prosecution report was correct and Li You's verdict proved that our current prosecution report protects state-owned assets and protects the interests of small shareholders. The more important thing is that we have exposed many corrupt officials and have been sentenced and arrested. But this matter has just begun, because Li You's sentence of four and a half years really shows that Li You is protected by their backstage. Why protect them? Because there is still hundreds of billions of assets about to start a real battle, the boss behind him also stands up. So to say, I chose Ding Jing to stand up and speak today. It is very simple to save lives, and to save money, I have to get revenge.

 

Chen: Everyone knows that your dispute with Li You was two years ago, but the fall of the hammer in Li You's case was in November last year. As for Li You, I read the report of his case. I don't understand a few things. What is the first thing I don’t understand? According to the official unified report, apart from Xinhua News Agency, Li You committed five crimes, but for me, I still can’t count the five crimes. This is a. The second one, his sentence is only four and a half years. The five crimes were sentenced to four and a half years. How can this sentence be measured? I, the person who studies law, can't figure it out. Because it is the first sin alone, the crime of insider trading, he has enough five years, basically this is the case. Then there are four more sins behind, how could he become four and a half years. I don't understand this. The third one, the official said that he had surrendered himself and made meritorious performances. Why? Because he was reported, everyone knows, how could he surrender? There is also one, he made credit, what merit he made, the official did not explain. So you, it seems that you are relatively clear about this matter. Can you tell everyone, I am puzzled, can you answer to help our readers understand what is going on?

 

Guo: Mr. Xiaoping, you deserve to study law. Der Spiegel Media is indeed professional. The questions you ask are all about ideas. The four years and a half of Li You’s sentence, these five crimes can actually be seen by everyone. It is the material that we reported in the past. You look back. It is corresponding. It is only the material that we expose. And a response to the evidence provided. In addition to this he did not have any so-called new crimes above this.

 

But in fact, after Li You was arrested, we have been in control of the progress of the case. That is why we have been waiting for his sentence. Because after Li You was arrested, Li You bought all the people in Beijing's public security economic investigation who handled the case, and the so-called project team established by the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection also handled my case, as well as Dalian. Task Force of Economic Investigation of Public Security Bureau. The project team was quickly bought out by them in handling the case. That is to say, (Li You) stayed in there for very little time. So-called Bao Bao medical treatment took the name of liver cancer and hid outside. Li You suffered from liver cancer seven years ago, not now. Li You has long been ready to change liver. Li You, the golden cicada's plan for shelling, has already been designed. Then after he entered, all of them in the public security immediately protected him. It is true that he has liver cancer. Then he lost weight and lay on the hospital bed, and began to direct the trial at the same time.

 

Li You can actually shoot him for more than two and a half years, as long as he dares to announce the details, not to mention four and a half years. Quite simply, the amount of all five crimes he has involved has not been announced. So Peking University is a state-owned asset, so all 13 financial licenses of Peking University Founder Group and Founder Group have more than 100 billion yuan of assets embezzled by Li You's merger; at the same time, he has made profits of 30 billion yuan for this insider trading crime. More than 40 billion yuan in money laundering overseas. Those high-ranking officials in the Politburo, including the Standing Committee, now have senior officials who bribe him. He will be shot more than twice for any of these things.

 

To cover up this crime, the so-called project team has completely ignored the law. In the first week when Li You was sentenced, you can see that Founder's stock has changed dramatically, and it has even been in a two-day daily limit. What does this two-day daily limit mean? Later, it fell back, from more than nine dollars to more than seven dollars, so what is the concept? In the future, I will use evidence to tell you that this is another financial transfer of bribery. It's a trick from Li You. Li You is in it and has been directing the so-called trial against him. So, including crimes, when to come out, and how to make a verdict are all discussed with Li You. Well, Li You, has now begun to fully distribute and transfer the wealth of the other Zhengzheng Group. We have evidence that he spent more than two billion yuan in cash this time to smooth out the current case and promised to allocate more than 15 billion yuan in cash.

 

So it is said that he came out within a few days, that is, our newly opened board of directors in August. We have two directors, one is an independent director and the other is a supervisor, and entered the board. Then, within a week of the Li You case's verdict, the project team went to work at Peking University Founder Group. Handle the case in the Founder Group of Peking University and call our directors. One female Hai had just given birth to a child in less than a year, and the other was our lawyer, Xu Yanyang, and our supervisor, Ma Nan, who was all a lawyer, all called Fang Zheng, put on shackles, and then You are forced to sign a resignation. If you don’t sign, you can sign with your fingerprints! If you don’t sign, I will pick up your mother, and I will pick up your dad! And, I saw your phone, you have contact with other men, I Can you tell your husband to divorce you, and then confiscate your family property, believe it or not, let me keep you there for a lifetime? Just like this project team handles the case. Comrades from the Dalian project team and the Beijing project team handled the case and said that this was the highest leadership instructing Peking University to be our Peking University. You get out of here. Then this way we have no way for you to see, immediately announce that our directors have resigned, and that the directors are all under control. The other supervisor was arrested and has not come back today. In addition, one director was arrested. Xu Yanyang and Ma Nan were both held in Dalian and have not returned since the Chinese New Year.

 

So what does this mean? Li You’s sentencing was only a coping against our accusations in the past and a coping with society. It covered up a larger crime, that is, the state assets were invaded and a large number of assets were transferred. Shareholders’ interests were invaded and then insider trading and then the SFC and they were coordinated with the so-called fine of 600,000 penalties to cover up their real crimes. This is what I said, the relative bosses behind Li You, and these political backgrounds really stand out now. This is what we said this war has just begun.

 

 

Chen: I think this matter, let's talk a little bit slower. You and Li You, originally business partners, should you say that? You worked together on Peking University Founder Securities. Later, because there were various reports from outside, your war with Peking University Founder was because of each Various reasons broke out, but there is no authoritative statement. One said, because the problem of board control is that you and National University Founder have worked together on National Securities. When you sold National Securities, the two of you fought to fight for control of the Board of Directors of Beijing University. This is a statement. There is another saying that you help the holding agent, because the holding agent is not your last tax problem of nearly 80 million yuan. You want Peking University Founder Li You to pay it. He refuses to pay it, and finally leads you to commit evil with him. . These are the two more common statements I have seen. There is another saying that there are various personal motives between you, you want to backdoor listing, Li You want to make yourself the largest securities company in China, and so on. I also saw photos of the two of you on the plane together, and one of them was vague and mosaiced on the side, which also proves that your relationship is very good, but why in the end you

Did you do it this way? Everyone speculates that you two did it for some reason. Are these two reasons I just said right?

 

Guo: Thank you Mr. Xiaoping! It seems that you have done a lot of work to understand this situation. Basically, what you just said is that Li You spent money and the media he manipulated. Li You voted a lot of media including Caixin magazine. He is also a real boss. The rumor spread, the result of slander, the smoke bomb he put on. There is no such problem at all. Li You and I on this matter, both of us are a small tool and a puppet. The real contest between us is a contest of various forces behind us. This media has guessed right. So what Li You said was false. Only ordinary people will believe, but anyone who has a little knowledge and a little relationship in the industry will understand.

 

The real boss behind Li You is at the Politburo and Standing Committee levels. These talents are his boss. Those people want to get money through Li You, they want to hide the money and they want to launder it. This has nothing to do with Guo Wengui. I want to protect my money, don't I? If I want to protect my money, I'll find someone to help me protect the money. I don't have that ability. I found the wrong person. I searched for two or three people, but as a result, I led the wolf into the room. Three of them agreed to help me settle Li You's case. As a result, one of them was not too high, but he had a lot of power. In the past four years, he has been making waves in China. He has handled many major cases. Leader of the China Central Discipline Inspection Commission and the Public Security Project Team. There is a saying on the rivers and lakes that the Commission for Discipline Inspection and Public Security add power to the sky. I said that bad discipline inspection officers and bad public security officers can turn the sky! One of them is such a person. Many of us in the future can't finish one by one today. We need more time in the future to speak one by one. We have four goals. We put one of the smallest level, the lowest level, but he is more important, that is, Fu Zhenghua, the executive deputy minister of the Ministry of Public Security. One of the black hands behind us is Fu Zhenghua.

 

Fu Zhenghua has been the most powerful in the past four years, that is really beyond the sky. After we merged with Li You at the beginning, the boss behind Li You proposed that Guo Wengui would agree to issue additional RMB 20 billion. That is, I exchanged 1.8 billion shares in total, and I paid 12 billion in cash. On the afternoon of the same day, Li You called and asked for an additional issuance of 20 billion yuan. I said, is this your idea? Isn’t that what you are grabbing money for? He said that it’s not my idea. You know the bosses behind me Who's who, who's the family said, it must be issued. I said that your private placement has washed away half of my money! He said that if you agree or not, then you Guo Wengui will wait for your family to die? This is the word. Then I said, you want to let my family die, then I said Li You, I only have to fight with you. At this time, I went to find someone, but as I said just now, one of them was Mr. Fu Zhenghua.

 

Fu Zhenghua's family had contact with my family before coming to the house. His younger brother was a representative of his relatives. His younger brother, Fu Laosan, can be said to be a member of the Politburo on the rivers and lakes of Beijing. Whoever he wants to arrest must be arrested, and Fu Zhenghua will say that you are anti-Party and that you will be arrested in any case involving you. Moreover, every day he slogans said that he was deeply trusted by Secretary Xi Jinping, Secretary Wang Qishan, and Secretary Meng Jianzhu, and he listened to him except for all of them. It is a sentence for him to want to harm anyone, and a sentence for who he wants to help. Moreover, all the members who handled the case with the project team of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection were Beijing's economic investigators, and they were all men of Lao Fu. There is no need for Lao Fu to speak, as long as Lao Fu gives a little attitude, it will be clear, and if you die, you will have to die. So we found Fu Zhenghua

 

As for Li You, they moved out of their last retired members of the Standing Committee and the current members of the Standing Committee, and they became PK with us. So at that time we broke the news that on the company's website, every time it was very accurate, an important part of the information came from Fu Zhenghua. For example, just after the meeting, you can’t move Li You, how to move to Beijing University to catch, who still catches the plan’s wife what to catch, what to find in the Boya Hotel, we all grasped at that time I felt sure to win.

 

However, it was later discovered that Mr. Fu Zhenghua ate on both sides and on multiple sides, and eventually caught Li You. On January 10, 2015, I went to the Pangu Hotel by more than 100 SWAT officers. Our family was inside the hotel, and every day I accompanied my parents to dinner at the hotel. The eldest brother in his sixties, the fourth brother in his fifties, and the fifth brother in Hainan. At the same time, there is my seriously ill sixth brother, my wife, my daughter, and a gun on the spot. I grabbed it all. With a gun in the hotel lobby, my staff, many people were hit with nostrils and bleeding to the ground. Another employee was a security guard who took off his cotton jacket and broke his leg on the spot. Then, we took away more than thirty senior executives and eight of our family members. 

 

At that time, the reason for arresting our family members and employees said that I was involved in black, and that I was arrested in black. Another is that it has something to do with Zhou Yongkang. Fu Zhenghua always used Zhou Yongkang to catch people, saying that I had a relationship with Zhou Yongkang. Then we took our company, basically employees, and you left immediately, and Guo Wengui had a big deal! General Secretary Xi Jinping, Secretary Wang Qishan, and Secretary Meng Jianzhu personally instructed you that this time is all over, you are dead, you leave now! the meaning of. At the same time as this arresting operation, of course, Li You, you have all seen the report, and Li You's family has also been arrested, but not so much. At this time, we found that Fu Zhenghua took our money and did not do anything for us. Of course, Fu Zhenghua is overseas. In addition to a part of the money he gave domestically, he also wanted 50 million US dollars overseas. At the beginning, we also promised him that you can help smooth this matter, and we can also donate 50 million to you. . Then I arrested my family. Then you let my family go! If you don't let me go, I can't give you any money. So with Mr. Fu Zhenghua, he was not happy that he sent his brother

 

Chen: I have a question to ask. Why did you use the word "donate" just now? What does it mean?

 

Guo: Well, he blackmailed us! Because we dare not give it away. He is blackmailed. So blackmail, I can’t say it’s you who blackmailed, I’ll give it to you, I should report it! I said then what method should you use. He said that my brother has a company, we also have charities, you can "donate". I said yes. So all his brothers ran overseas to call me and ask me to take the money. At the same time, he threatened me to do something... I am not convenient to say it now, and we will talk about it in the next few episodes.

 

Chen: All right.

 

Guo: That matter is much larger than this matter, and it involves higher-level matters of the country. Today we will talk about this first. He threatened us to do other things. We did not dare to do concrete work with him, but we did a little. But at this time we realized that Fu Zhenghua had an accident sooner or later. And in our own matter, there are also reasons why Fu Zhenghua designed us. Because in August 2014, Fu Zhenghua found us at home and said, do you think that your family will have a big deal early? Is it because you want to catch Ma Jian of the Ministry of Security? Deputy Minister, because you and Vice Minister Ma Jian are in a subordinate relationship and are the liaison unit of the Ministry of Security

 

We strictly say that Pangu is indeed a liaison unit of the Ministry of Security, which is related to the Liu Zhihua case we will talk about next time. After the Liu Zhihua case, we were actually a good-looking enterprise called the liaison unit, which was supervised by the Ministry of Security on behalf of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection. We are also very willing to be regulated because sometimes it makes us safer, at least some rogues, police stations, and less harassment. So, on the surface, the relationship with Vice Minister Ma Jian is particularly good, and then there are basic permanent staff of the Ministry of Security working with us, so it is rumored in the society that we have a very good relationship with Vice Minister Ma Jian. Therefore, Fu Zhenghua's family said that the central government has already decided that it is necessary to catch Vice Minister Ma Jian.

 

Why do you catch it? Because Vice Minister Ma Jian has been responsible for the so-called corruption investigations in the party for the past 18 years. He has grasped the evidence of too many people and grasped the information of too many people. He must be extinguished. At the same time, he still wants to be the Minister of Security, and Lao Fu also wants to be the Minister of Security. Is it possible to stop the old Fu? He must catch it. Then he must catch your old Guo before catching him. In this case, as soon as I couldn't do anything, I ran away, and I left China. I really have to thank Lao Fu!

 

Chen: There are two key figures in the fight between you and Peking University Founder. Just now you mentioned the Standing Committee level and the Politburo Committee level. Generally speaking, the background behind Li You is Ling Plan. Just now you mentioned Ling Plan, Gu Liping and these people. You mentioned Ma Jian just now. Ma Jian has a special relationship with you. You also said that Ma Jian is a leader you respect very much. Without him, there would be no you. So at this time he has told you that they want to catch Ma Jian, that is to say, it means that you want to knock off your backing?

 

Guo: Just now you said that this Li You in front of you, when talking about Ling Jiu and Gu Liping, is just a small backer of Li You. That is to say, Xiao Xiaohe's plan is not as exaggerated as Gu Liping's. Li You has a bigger boss and multiple bosses. You think about this Li You, he has a dozen financial cards

 

At this point, I'll interrupt you and insert a word. During the trial of Li You, his file was explained to many people by Li You. Many of the so-called meritorious deeds were changed by orders at least a dozen times. Just two weeks before the sentence was pronounced, the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection also went there and immediately confessed to him that a vice governor of the People's Bank of China paid bribes to immediately tamper with it. You can see that Li You's power is huge. What kind of power is this? Is it the power of money? Is it the power under the name of Peking University? So Ling Ji and Gu Liping are one of his very big interests and the political protector is also a bribe taker but Not the most important, there are much more important than him. This is that Li You can send many people to prison, bankrupt many companies, can play trillions of funds, and today can still be removed from the shell.In the name of so-called liver cancer and in the name of meritorious service, four and a half years can be taken off. This is the power of Li You.

 

So on the other hand, vice minister Ma Jian and you just said that in fact, the relationship between Deputy Minister Ma Jian and me, I still have to say that I respect him very much, he is a good person, and his influence on me is very important, In him, I deeply understand the meaning of patriotism. I am not a party member. I never say I love the party, and I never oppose the party. I can never do something that is sorry for the country. But now I understand the meaning of patriotism more deeply and how to understand politics in society. I think this was taught by Vice Minister Ma Jian. More importantly, I respect his character and morality. When I saw the internet saying that he had six mistresses and illegitimate children, I simply felt that I could not accept this. A person who has contributed to the country for a lifetime, thirty years of public safety and public security, now insults him into saying that there are six mistresses, does he have that body? Vice Minister Ma Jian’s body is very bad, and he is not like that People. I think that he is a corrupt official. He should also have the truth. He should also have dignity. He is also a cadre trained by the party and the state, and he should be given a basic dignity. Why? Does he prove to be a corrupt official in his life today? I don’t think so.

 

I think that among the party members in China, most of the government officials I have met are good people, including the Discipline Inspection Commission and the public security officers. Most of them are good people, but that part is bad people. And this part of the bad guys, today, a very sad thing, has a huge power to reverse the black and white. This is what I am going to do today. We want to let all the people know who is a good person, who is a bad person, who is a person who reverses the world, who is our character of Zhao Gaosi in the Qing Dynasty who is one by one. People, like Fu Zhenghua, is this person Zhao Gao? The Party Central Committee believes in you and asks you to lead the project team. As the project team leader, you are now trying to get whoever eats the left side and the right side, and the plaintiff eats the defendant. You said that he has a little money in his family. As far as I know, Fu Zhenghua's wealth is comparable to that of the country. His brother has several women. The women he raises are billions of billionaires. So I think it's important for the media to know about this matter. This is why I have to stand up today. I saw many people, good people, demonized to such a degree, and most people believe in the media.

 

Secondly, I think it is very unfair. No Chinese people like anti-corruption, but they are really anti-corruption. Is it really anti-corruption? Is it possible for people like Fu Zhenghua to come next? Let me say that three or four very important people are really anti-corruption? No. In the end, it is the people who are scouring the people, and the country is the scourge, and when our country is at the most critical time, these people will continue. They are careerists. Fu Zhenghua said in the original words that he wants to be the Minister of Public Security, the deputy secretary of the Political and Law Commission, and even the Secretary of the Political and Law Commission, then Chinese lawyers in China like you who engage in the media, must not be arrested? Not all have to be like me Family members were arrested and employees were sacked.

 

Chen: Many lawyers have been arrested now. Lawyers and reporters have been arrested a lot. I don't think this worry is unnecessary. Many people have already been arrested. But your story is special.

 

Guo: Lawyers and the so-called conscientious media were arrested, most of them were done by Fu Zhenghua. Next, if such a person continues, it will do a lot. I must explain to you our case here. I want to say you see that our employees are under border control. The employees and their families are under border control. The people we were arrested disappeared in the first year and a half and could not be found, even without any formalities. When it is one year or half a year, the procedures are given and it is called designated surveillance residence. The right to designate a residence under surveillance can be called and a lawyer can be seen. No. Then I told later in Dalian that it was closed in Kaifeng, so I wouldn't let you see. Later, I went to Dalian and Kaifeng police stations to find that there was no such person. Why? It is too important to say that your case is now called secret security and has no name. Some have been closed for more than two years and have not returned. In some cases, the wife at home has just become pregnant, and the child has not been seen so far. The other one was just divorced, a lesbian, just a child has been staying in our company hotel, we are accompanied. Then these people are arrested. If he is guilty, he deserves to commit a crime, then the law should punish you, and the crime has legal procedures. You should give him a basic legal human rights guarantee.

 

After these employees were arrested, most people were humiliated. For example, we were asked more than 270 employees, including many female employees. Many male employees told me when they came back that they suffered from inhuman torture. One of the gay men was confined at the same time. Che Feng and Che Feng, who were related to me, and Wang Tianpu of PetroChina were in a courtyard. When I beat him, I broke the boy's arm for about three weeks. I couldn't say that you can still go out alive several times. Wang Tianpu was sentenced to three death sentences. Che Feng was sentenced to five death sentences. Can you still go out? This is the case that President Xi, Secretary Wang Qishan, and Secretary Meng personally arrested. Just tortured the child back, the child was half nervous. In addition, one of our female employees, after being arrested, was copied on an iron chair and then put on shackles. The child was kept in the iron chair for three days. Of course, she shit and pee are all in the crotch, and they are all in it. Then when she left three days later, she had two big bags on her butt. When she came back, her husband called me and cried without crying, saying that my wife was basically stupid and crazy when she came back. More exaggerated things At the beginning of the case, the public security officer reached into the girl’s crotch and touched it. Did you pee? Did you pee? Is this a case? This is more powerful than a Japanese devil entering the village! Basically, all the boys go into the shackles and shackles to take off the shoes for you, shut you up for a few days, and then look at your mobile phone, see if you have contact with the girl, he said, if you have a wife, I will take this news Tell your wife, do you believe it or not? I brought your mother to you, believe it or not? I took your dad and took it or not? It was so threatening. Then when everyone leaves, they must sign 20 to 40 pages of blank paper. All boys and girls must ask about your performance. Nine sexual relations, and then will threaten you with the so-called derailed handles of men and women. . And many of us girls will be asked when you go in. Did you go to bed with Guo Wengui? (You) must have been to bed. Do you want me to notify your husband? You have been to bed with Guo Wengui. Does your husband believe that we still believe you? These are all methods of handling cases. Why do I stand up today to say that today is very important to our people, we should know that this project team, the case handling below does not represent the central government, I don’t believe it, Secretary Meng Jianzhu, Secretary Wang Qishan, Secretary Xi said Do you want such a whole person? Impossible! This is a person like Fu Zhenghua, who has reached the level of despair. He has the national machine in his hands

 

Chen: Mr. Guo, what you just said about these situations is that the first one, the secret detention second, the torture, and the third smearing of stolen goods. These are some of the standard operating procedures of the entire exposed person. You see so many lawyers arrested, the lawyer's family appeals to public opinion every day, to disclose this information, that is, after the person is arrested, the lawyer will not let the family see where the family is, and they don't know where you are. If you want to know his only words and phrases, you simply don’t think about it, because he is in secret. The so-called designated surveillance residence is to give you a secret detention to let you enforce your disappearance, which is basically the case and he has a legal coat, this is one. The second one is torture. Judging from the various cases exposed now, it is very common. A lawyer named Xie Yang recently, after his lawyer saw him for the first time, summed up a dozen kinds of torture by the police. Then there is no difference between the torture suffered by the employees of your company and the torture suffered by them. They are basically the same. They use this torture to torture and torture you. Then another means that, like Lei Yang, you will have to edit a thing that you are prostitute after you are killed by sex. In fact, everyone is horny, but the horny utterance from their mouths has become a big crime. They are horny, they are not in broad daylight, is this right? So it is nothing new. But this thing about you is a bit sensational when you say it. Everyone knows that Peking University founder Li You, who was sentenced to punish eleven people in the army, but for your side, the loss you suffered, I heard it for the first time today. According to what you just said, so many relatives have been arrested, so many employees have been charged, and so many people have been tortured. This is indeed a sensation. Please continue.

 

Guo: For this loss, we have now been sealed up with assets of 120 billion yuan. After he sealed up all assets, up to now, my daily loss is 10 million yuan, which is 3.5 billion a year. It's a lucky thing. I made a relatively accurate judgment in advance. I think that this kind of thing may really happen in this era. Our overseas funds have earned me more than 20 billion yuan in these three or two years. This is still Not bad

 

But I want to tell you to what extent this case is exaggerated. At that time, I was a lawyer in Hong Kong who was in control of thousands of internal employees. I was monitored on the mainland. Six of his mothers were 92 years old and had cancer. This lawyer also turned white overnight, but in order to maintain his own lawyer qualification, he also I dare not use the rights of the Hong Kong Basic Law to defend my rights and interests, so I endure there. Then later, these investigators went to Hong Kong and found all the lawyers, not only my lawyer, but also my overseas partners, tell these people, do you know, Guo Wengui cheated you, Guo Wengui now wants Was wanted, how was Guo Wengui bad, how bad. It is illegal for the first project team to handle a case in Hong Kong. Second, if you really handle the case, you don't need to discredit Guo Wengui, he is guilty, and your conviction will be over. The third is a more terrible thing. All company seals are sealed, all account numbers are sealed, and all my credit cards are sealed. I could not have left the country. The key point is that he told everyone that you can't contact Guo Wengui. If you want to contact him, I will arrest your parents. This is what Fu Zhenghua now calls the "three absolute policies". When it comes to catching this person, the first thing is to seize all your wealth. This is why many people are now transferring money abroad. Who is not afraid! The two most people who contact you should frighten them, can't contact you, and break all connections. The third thing is to absolutely destroy your reputation, so that you have no momentum to rely on, and finally you have to kneel to listen to him and let you do what you do. This is an exception for me, because his three-stroke policy is not working for me. First, I don't care about fame. I've been a demon minister. Second, I have money. He sealed me 120 billion. My overseas funds are much larger than that. Think about it, when he sealed up my funds, my house in Hong Kong was reported and they operated it. I borrowed 300 million yuan from a house bought by 1.2 billion yuan. It was a loan from the Hong Kong branch of CCB. The project team actually allowed Hong Kong's CCB to violate Hong Kong's financial regulations and overnight decided to destroy the contract and immediately collect the money back. When we didn't realize what was going on, a liquidation team called Hong Kong was dispatched to collect the house within 24 hours. If I had no money for this house, these things would be taken away by him. I immediately returned 300 million to him, then he didn't move. And my account with a Chinese bank in Hong Kong, all the money can't be moved. After all, he is still in Hong Kong in Hong Kong. He doesn’t tell you why. He said, oh, we have all kinds of inquiries that can’t move the money to you. So you see this project team, there are no laws at all, and there are no regulations in Hong Kong and overseas.

 

Guo (continued): Secondly, the employee I just said was cruelly injured. What I said just now is a part of the security guards who broke our legs and the girls who were beaten on the ground. Now I can say why I stand up today. The overwhelming majority of the reasons are that I must be fair to them! Several girls have basically collapsed, and now they are mentally abnormal, and most of them are Ask to leave. Have you heard of any country’s public security personnel who went to live in our company, a dozen people, eating and drinking in our company, and then every day brought the employees to the room to make people cry and howl, how about two years, you go Think about it. Mr. Xiaoping, you are studying the law, which country’s law is this, and it is not the way to make movies in the underworld! Over the past two years, there are often more than a dozen public security officers, who you want to call in your company, and then locked in the house, The whole building wailed with tears that made you cry day by day. Do you think this is a case? Every time they do this, they say that this was instructed by General Secretary Xi, Secretary Wang Qishan, and Secretary Meng Jianzhu, so you are dead. Think about it, is Fu Zhenghua not a senior black?

To put it bluntly, today I will tell you what the real purpose behind Mr. Xiaoping is the interests of the black hand behind it. They thought I had control of corruption between Li You and them? The first evidence is that they want to kill their mouths, they want to intimidate, and don't let me open my mouth. This is one. Secondly, those who handle the case, these people also want to take advantage of the opportunity to make a profit for money, which is really new corruption. The third and more important thing I want to say today, why should Fu Zhenghua be so cruel to us? Because Fu Zhenghua, at that time, it was heard that Vice Minister Ma Jian had hidden so many overseas leaders in the party for many years. There are videos, evidence of corruption, illegitimate children, illegitimate daughters, overseas accounts, so he kept asking me to say that you gave me this thing, you gave it to me, how would I protect you, many promises, this is Fu Zhenghua's real purpose. Of course, this is him, and there are two or three people, all for this purpose. The second one, because of me and the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, because of the case of Liu Zhihua, I have many friends who are all familiar with the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, including the programs broadcast in the previous two days, and those who need to be hard in iron making. I know most of them because of the Liu Zhihua case. One of them was arrested in the six rooms at that time, the person in charge of handling the Liu Zhihua case was Meng Huiqing, and later arrived in the nine rooms and then went to the 24th inspection team to manage Henan. This Meng Huiqing was arrested and 18 boxes of privately held video tapes at the time were found at home. It is said that this video tape caused anger, so Fu Zhenghua immediately asked me to say, is there any more? I don't believe there are only 18 boxes. Because I have not copied the 18 boxes of Fu Zhenghua, I don’t know. As far as I know, this Meng Huiqing lives in a house in our Zhengquan with his mother, an old mother in her 90s. Before he was arrested, he called me once and suspected that a leader wanted to push him downstairs. He said that he once stood on the balcony after drinking and found that a leader suddenly stood behind him, saying his eyes were strange. I said, what did you do? He said that I might have handled the case in the past. He didn't elaborate so much. He was later arrested in Zhengquan. After being arrested, there were eighteen video cassettes on the spot, and there were more than a dozen U disks. It is said that they were the materials left behind when handling the violations. Of course, Fu Zhenghua and several other leaders wanted to get this thing. So the real killing, rumoring, and defamation of this other one are related to these mysterious data and videotapes and this information.

 

Chen: Let me insert a sentence here. Because of this mysterious videotape and data, I remember correctly, it was reported in xx that Ma Jian had a special team that did these things for a long time and got a lot of such things.This seems to be the original information. source. Then the brother of the so-called Ling Project (Ling Ding) fled to the United States. What about the so-called nuclear bombs in his hands? Some of the nuclear bombs refer to these video tapes, especially the high-level lewd video tapes, then these video tapes were brought out by him, This became the nuclear bomb in his hand. In your conversation just now, you mentioned why Fu Zhenghua wanted to mess with you like this. He thought that because you knew Ma Jian, he wanted to make these videos through your relationship with Ma Jian. In fact, from the matter of the Central Discipline Inspection Commission official you just said, are these eighteen video tapes high-level pornographic video tapes?

 

Guo: Speaking of which, your question is very good. When we reported Liu Zhihua at the time, we had similarities to this story. At that time, it was a joke. The officer of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection was old, I drove all the way, and I went to expose Liu Zhihua. Everyone saw me, but there is one, you take the evidence. Or I provided written evidence. Say no, you need a photo. I provided a photo. I searched every day and found a photo. No, I want the video. What happened? The people from the Discipline Inspection Commission and the police surrounded me and followed my buttocks, forcing me to find videos every day. In fact, these people belong to political sticks. Did you know that this was his job? He should go and find it. As a result, it forced me to be a commoner. There was no video originally, forcing me to really find Liu Zhihua's crime video, but in the end Liu Zhihua really went in.

 

What's the difference between this and the same thing now? I didn't have this data. I really don't know what these 18 videos are, and I don't know what I have in my hands, but he has been pushing for two years Me, he is now abusing my whole family, all assets are seized, just like Liu Zhihua. When Liu Zhihua met me, he said that all your things belong to the country, which is where you go and play. I said, don’t you want to be a hooligan!——We will talk about Liu Zhihua later, which is very dramatic. This time it came again, Fu Zhenghua, and several other leaders also came. Now I am forced to find this data. I can’t find it, so I’m on your show! I don’t want this. Do I dare to show on the data? I have a little evidence, I can show you something before I dare to show on your show! 

 

So today, Mr. Xiaoping, I am here to reiterate with you, first, I will never say anything about the anti-Party, I will not say anything that has an impact on the image of the country, and I will not say anything that has no evidence. Guo Wengui has a good reputation. After fighting for 20 years on the anti-corruption front, I am an antiseptic hero. I cherish this reputation now. Second, everyone now knows that Guo Wengui speaks and can produce evidence for everything he says, including the case of Li You and Liu Zhihua’s case. Well, there is no second person in China who dares to do this, and it really can be done, so I cherish me, I am-the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection has a sentence, leading the approved cases, find ways to find evidence, and create evidence without evidence. Well, the same is true for the public security investigation. As long as it is a case approved by the leadership, there is no evidence to create evidence. As long as the people give evidence, whoever gives evidence will take evidence, and I will give evidence. I will take the evidence. The standards of the Disciplinary Committee in handling cases, I give evidence to take evidence. As for the matter of Mr. Fu Zhenghua I just said, he can stand up and speak. He can say, no. No problem, we are on Der Spiegel TV. I show the evidence. You can also show my criminal evidence. We all fight well and let the people judge whether you have committed a crime. What I said is true or false. This is what I said. Today our domestic project team handles cases one by one, all of which are not based on facts or laws, and whether you have evidence or not, it is enough to make it for you. Just like the one you just said, the term torture confessions is completely unable to describe the so-called domestic criminal cases, which is beyond the bottom line of human nature and is more exaggerated than the Japanese devil entering the village. Another one, they have no evidence, we need evidence to speak. We can't learn from them. So why should I stand up today? I want to let all the family members and relatives of these people who were injured by Fu Zhenghua before the Spring Festival, many people are also overseas, I can’t celebrate the New Year, I want to let them know, don’t think Fu Zhenghua said Whatever happened to your family, you really thought something happened. Stick to your bottom line. We must base on facts and the law. Whether he is a good person or a bad person, he should have dignity, and he should have at least human dignity. So, I think that before the Spring Festival, everyone should stand up like me, don't keep complaining, and you must not let these people down and find evidence of these people. I don't believe in a person. These people are so-called clean officials and good people. As long as you are attentive and bold, you will be able to find out. Now I say confidently,

 

Chen: I am touched by my declaration of passion. But the employees are indeed about to celebrate the Chinese New Year. We also express our New Year's wishes to your employees who have been tortured and tortured. Hope that they will be healthy and out of bad luck. Let us now return to Fu Zhenghua's question you just mentioned. Fu Zhenghua, out of his worries, what was his video recorded by someone else, or was he commissioned to ask you to ask for these things, and he even did so in order to engage you. Is that really something? Do you think he is worried about it in your or Ma Jian's hands?

 

Guo: Of course. He has three main reasons. The first one is that he is a very evil person and he does too much bad things, so he is afraid, so he must be gagged. He must find a way to control the people like Ma Jian who are right against him. The person who has his evidence must be destroyed. This person is a very insidious person. Two, this person is also very courageous. If you think about it, he also knows that I am very familiar with Vice Minister Ma Jian. He dares to take my money. Think about how brave he is, how dare he take my money. So I was not surprised when the latest intelligence told me how much Li You spent on his family. He dared to take my money, why didn't he dare to take your Li You's money? He said that Li You said that he was waiting for him to come out. After this matter was over, he waited for the sentence and said that the promise to Fu Zhenghua was a lot of money. At that time, I was not surprised at all. Because Fu Zhenghua is crazy, because his younger brother has several women, several illegitimate children, and billions of dollars, and arrogance to such an extent, then Fu Zhenghua must cover him up, and he wants to get more power, Otherwise he has no sense of security. It is said that at the 19th National Congress, he was full of illusions that he would become the Minister of Public Security and the Secretary of the Political and Legal Committee. He told me that he said Wengui, you have to remember that the next five to ten years will be my world. Minister Guo Shengkun (Public Security) was either arrested or demoted. I am definitely the Minister of the Ministry of Public Security or I am the Secretary of the Political and Law Commission, and I am trusted by the central leadership. Why do you think this person's arrogance? One power blinded his conscience and eyes, the second did too many bad things, he wanted to cover up and there was one he was greedy and he needed more and more money. For the above reasons, he will always do bad things.

 

For people like us, now you see that in the past few years no one dared to stand up and say no, dare to challenge him and dare to report and expose him. That's why the so-called control media in the country control media. Many people have promoted it to political height. I don't think so. I also don't think this is an absolute policy of the central government. These are all people like Fu Zhenghua, who told the head of the central leadership that we have a political crisis and that overseas opposition forces must pursue peaceful evolution. This is all their political trick. The real purpose is to cover up the evidence of these crimes, and then the information shielding is actually sinister. The villain's trip, do you know? So I don't think there is a big political idea to engage in this media control. Then another one, like Fu Zhenghua, is the lowest among the four people we will expose in the future. We still have many such stories. Many problems in China today are actually caused by those few people. Just like this Cultural Revolution, the "gang of four" is messed up. Now in our domestic political arena, there are several such bad guys. Our goal and task is to let the common people know who, through the irrefutable real evidence we provide, It is your good leader, who is the real corrupt official and who is the threat of our nation, this is what we will do next.

 

 

Chen: All right. We return to the Li You case again. As you mentioned just now, in fact, Li You is the only one who pays bribes. Fu Zhenghua, eating the plaintiff and eating the defendant, according to your words. Well, there has always been an impression from the outside world that we have just clicked and said that Peking University is the money bag of the order plan now in the prison. Then there are indeed reports from the outside that Peking University is just a money bag for some senior people. Then, what people's money bags are there, and these people who are taking money in Peking University, do you know some things?

 

Guo: We are in the future, I hope I will talk more about it, involving a lot of people. For example, Secretary Zhu Shanlu of Peking University, I know him well. After our incident happened, he stood up and talked about what Beijing University could not do. This man is full of brains and wants to be an official. When a glass of wine enters the stomach, he talks nonsense and talks endlessly. The quality is very poor. He is a secretary of Peking University, which is a joke. When he invited me to dinner at the University, I donated 1 billion in cash to Peking University. It was the only person with the largest single amount since the founding of the People's Republic of China. I am. Guo Wengui donated 1 billion yuan in cash, and all the leaders of Peking University came and we drank a lot of wine. Zhu Shanlu's performance later dealt with Zhu Shanlu, who took Li You's money. And this Li You, not only gives money, but also beautiful women. Li You is best at sending money to send beautiful women to send stocks and then help the local leaders' children go to Peking University. This is Li You's consistent move, which is his philosophy. Well, the Ministry of Education, the former shareholders of our standing committee level and the current members of the Politburo are all shareholders of Li You. These people are all people who send money to give beauty and give stocks. We will talk about each of the next few episodes separately. In this episode, we mainly talk about Fu Zhenghua and what they are going to do. What I did not say about Li You just now. What we are going to do next is what you are doing, how to buy the Dalian project team, how to buy the Beijing special project team, how to buy the public security ministry special team, how to buy Fu Zhenghua, and then the standing committee level and the Politburo behind him How do these gold owners and shareholders at the level help him to operate? We will spend a lot of time. I will prove it one by one. Li You now has all the so-called Li Liang Yao Gang of the China Securities Regulatory Commission, Xi Xiaoming of the Supreme Court, and those who so-called vice minister Ma Jian. These are all small people. Next, in the Li You incident, the characters we are going to expose are all more important than them and the amount of money is astronomical. I am very confident that I can give the country and the investors more than 100 billion yuan in state-owned assets. There is no problem. It’s just that we slowly start to do it, okay?

 

Chen: Good! Thank you very much! Today we have a longer time than originally scheduled, but for a lot of things, you have opened your head and raised the appetite of our readers. I hope that in the next series of interviews, we can Hearing more of your stories about the traitors or businessmen in China, let us know more about the extent of corruption in Beijing and the extent of the loss of state-owned assets. So thank you very much Mr. Guo for spending so much time to accept my interview today and thank our audience for watching our show so early. Ok, thanks everyone!

 

Guo: Thank you all! I sincerely wish you all a happy new year! Thank you!

 

Chen: I wish you all a Happy New Year! Goodbye.